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I started out with
nothing and still have most of it. My wild oats have turned into prunes and All
Bran. I finally got my head together and my body is falling apart. Funny, I
don't remember being absent minded. If all is lost, where is it? It's hard to
make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere. The only time the world beats a
path to your door is when you're in the bathroom. ABOUT ME I'm a very
personal person. I'm looking to better my life, since I've been on a rocky
road and struggled all my life. I'm working on my career now, and would like to
work on my faith in God, and meet a true friend.
WHAT I LOOK FOR IN OTHER PEOPLE: I like interesting and sincere
people who are honest. Respect, openness, patient, and optimist people are fun
and I look for these characteristics in friends. THINGS I LIKE I like going to
school, iceskating, quiet evenings warm and comfortable and making love to my
man. I love meeting new true, good friends and doing the best of whatever I am
doing. THINGS I DON'T LIKE I don't like being lied to. I don't like dealing
with people with bad tempers. Any kind of a abuse to others or oneself. I don't
like showoffs in a bad situation.
Here Till forever
COme One COme All
Avon Independent Sales Representative
5:12 PM 2/22/2009
The Flight Attendant hour and schedule is very hard to explain.
First thing I must ask you to do, is throw out everything you think you know about overtime, normal days, and even what is an hour of pay.... Everything you know is wrong in this career if you compare it to any other job out there.
Okay, having said that. Let's get some definitions..
Trip = 1 Hour of Pay.... It is a formula based number usually depending on how many miles you are flying combined with time in the actual air.
Overtime = Not 40 hours a week, overtime relates to certain times in the company schedule when they are short on working flight attendants, and they offer entire trips at premium or overtime pay.
Alright.... a Flight Attendant bids on his/her schedule for the next month and based upon what the senior people above you bid, you get your line of time. A Line of time, is an entire months schedule of flying. So let's say you get Friday-Sunday 3 Day Trips....
Your first trip comes up that month and it is three days long starting on Friday, ending on Sunday and pays 25 TFP or (Trips for Pay) or 25 Hours (if you feel better that way). Even though you are gone from Friday till Sunday, you are only getting paid for 25 Hours of work.
Flight Attendants are NOT paid unless they are flying. There are other pay considerations like Per Diem, which is around $2.00 per hour at most carriers. This pay is non-taxable and starts the minute you check-in on Friday and stops after you arrive on Sunday. Basically around $48 per day on top of what you already make.
There are no 9-5 positions, however they are some schedules that usually go senior and they are single day trips, which mean you go out and come back on the same day. Usually these trips are about 10 hours from check-in to release time, however pay around 7 Trips For Pay (TFP).
So, even though you were gone alot more than 110 Hours during the month, your pay of 110 TFP's is your pay for that month. To make you feel a little bit better, most flights pay more than the length of the flight. For example, a 3 hour flight, usually pays around 3.6-4.0 TFP. Add three flights per day at this pay rate and it more than makes up for the difference.
I hope this answers some questions, however I feel it may have created more questions than answered LOL
-Chris
Compiled Messages
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Monday, February 2, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 1 Discussion Author: Christopher Click
Alicia,
What airline would you like to work for the most?
Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 1 Discussion Author: Jasmine CrumpNice to meet you Alicia!!! Ive recently began my search for opportunities to work ANYWHERE in the airport in attempts to gain as much knowledge in the feild as possible. Great minds think alike :) See you around.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 1 Discussion Author: Sheraz Khan
Same here i haven't began my search yet but have a full desire of becoming a flight attendant. Nice to meet everyone here.
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009
Subject: First Question to Ask Instructor : Alicia Dallas Author: Alicia Dallas
How would you(or any flight attendant) balance your career with having a family. Seeing as though your always flying, is there a way to realistically balance the two?
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009
Subject: Re:First Question to Ask Instructor : Alicia Dallas Author: Christopher Click
Alicia,
I have a wife and child and my wife is also a flight attendant so balancing is an "art". The reality is that it is not very difficult at all. You are only gone three days a week, and if you work weekends you can use daycares, family members, babysitters or any other means. Realistically you have more time off than the average person. I am not going to lie, I can be difficult at times, especially during weather delays and other conditions that can throw a wrench into your plans (Reserve Standby).
I work with over 9,000 flight attendants at Southwest and probably 40% of them have children and can do it, I am sure you can too. It is a good question though and at first when on reserve it will be difficult, but after some time it will work out. Just stay close to your family for a little added support. Don't forget you have other flight attendants you will get to know and perhaps you can build a relationship with them and you guys can help each other out.
Of course there are some who wait for the children to be out of the house, but sometimes that is not easy to do :) Also it is like a mini-vacation at times.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Subject: Re:Assignment 1 Author: Christopher Click
Jasmine,
Thanks for your discussion introduction. Sounds like you have a full plate in your life. It would be nice to finish the school thing and settle down with a nice career. I hope you find being a Flight Attendant to be that career. When I started 8 years ago, I thought 5 and I am done. Now, they are going to need to design a walker with a service tray and one that fits down the aisle so I can work till I die.
It is a great career and will afford you the ability to live wherever you want and travel whenever you want. Many of our employees at Southwest live all over the world. Some in Australia, a few in South America and many all over the country. When it is time to work they just grab a flight from another carrier and make their way to work, you can too :)
Can't wait till Resume and Interview session to meet you in person and help you meet your goals.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Subject: week 1 discussion Author: Victoria Dulaney
Hello, my name is Victoria Dulaney, or Tori, I am 21 years old and this is finally my last semester at CCBC. I will be recieving my AA in general studies this spring. I do not wish to transfer to another school. What i have been planning for about 2 years now, is to get my AA and then travel the world. I think that a career as a flight attendant is the perfect job for me. I am not the kind of person that can have a 9-5 desk job, I like having freedom. I don't have a preference on which airline i would like to work for, but I do want to travel internationally. I was really excited to sign up for this class, and i hope it can prepare me for getting a job!
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Subject: Re:week 1 discussion Author: Christopher Click
Tori,
Nice to hear from you. Sounds like you look forward to really using the benefits of this job for all they are worth and they are worth plenty. In addition to flying benefits there are many travel websites out there created for and maintained by pilots and flight attendants. We trade homes, we trade tickets and all kinds of travel deals from cruises to all-inclusive resorts, to safari's in Africa. I know flight attendants who have traded with other Flight Attendants from other countries and house swapped. We are a tight nit group and when you have another flight attendant on your aircraft you really treat each other well.
Almost always, (if there is room) Flight Crews will upgrade other flight crew to first class, give a little extra meal/snack, free drink you name it--we look out for each other. We have great overnights together sharing war stories, giving each other wings from other carriers... too much fun.
I hope you reach your goal, as this career path can be the best choice for one who loves to travel or is looking to travel around the world.
One thing you gals don't know is that the flexibility of working as a Flight Attendant allows you to back up trips togehter, working as many days in a row as you want, and then taking off as many days in a row as you need. People will back up trips back to back to back for over a month, just so they can take three weeks off in a row to backpack across Europe. Then of course you have your vacation and this also gives you "paid" time off. However your hourly rate of pay makes up the difference.
If you have any questions regarding these benefits, ask the question in the Ask a Flight Attendant section.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: week 1 discussion Author: Sheraz Khan
hey, this is Sheraz Khan i go by Raz, I am 20year old this is my first year in CCBC. This class will definitely benefit everyone this is like ticket to most exciting job in Aviation. I love traveling all over the world. I have been to Qatar, UAE, India, Pakistan, Canada and England. My dream is to go all over the world. I was really excited to sign up for this class. :)
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: Re:week 1 discussion Author: Christopher Click
Sheraz,
Your practice in world travel will definitely be a plus for any job interview and definitely helps to build your resume. Being such a world travel, what airline would you most like to work for.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: Re:week 1 discussion Author: Jasmine Crump
Victoria I hoped to meet another young woman who loved to and planned to travel while enrolling in this course!! I ve just recently started to travel internationally ,and it would be wonderful to have some one to trade stories with. Congratulations on this being your last semester!! I cant wait until I can say that. See you around.
~Jasmine
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009
Subject: Re:week 1 discussion Author: Victoria Dulaney
Jasmine,
Nice meeting you too! I've never actually been out of the country, the furthest I have been away from home is Las Vegas. But, this November I get to go to Puerto Vallarta Mexico for a wedding!
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: First question to instructor Author: Sheraz Khan
whats the chance of getting the job after completing the certificate program ?
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Friday, February 6, 2009
Subject: Flight Attendant Job Outlook Author: Christopher Click
The information I have about the Job Outlook is below. Before you read the Job Outlook, your taking this class will help you better prepare for future interviews. We will meet to help prepare your resume and take your assets and really make them stand out for a prospective employer. We will practice interview questions that are common to airline flight attendants. I am also trying to get an actual Flight Attendant Recruiter from a major carrier at the BWI airport to perhaps help out in this faux interview.
Also, at the end, for my exceptional students I will write personal recommendations to Southwest Airlines, using our internal recommendation program... This almost 99% assures you an interview. For those who want to work elsewhere, completion of this course will demonstrate your ability to learn the material and your willingness to try this life changing job and for that attempt on your part, I will gladly write a glowing letter of recommendation to whatever airline you would like to apply.
having said that, here is the information from the Government Website http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos171.htm
Job Outlook [About this section] Back to Top
Competition for jobs is expected to remain keen because the opportunity for travel attracts more applicants than there are jobs.
Employment change. Employment of flight attendants is expected to grow 11 percent, about as fast as the average for all occupations over the 2006-16 projection period. Population growth and an improving economy are expected to boost the number of airline passengers. As airlines expand their capacity to meet rising demand by increasing the number and size of planes in operation, more flight attendants will be needed.
Job prospects. Despite growing demand for flight attendants, competition is expected to be keen because this job usually attracts more applicants than there are jobs, with only the most qualified eventually being hired. College graduates who have experience dealing with the public should have the best chance of being hired. Job opportunities may be better with the faster growing regional and commuter, low-cost, and charter airlines. There also are job opportunities for professionally trained flight attendants to work for companies operating private aircraft for their executives.
The majority of job opportunities through the year 2016 will arise from the need to replace flight attendants who leave the labor force or transfer to other occupations, often for higher earnings or a more stable lifestyle. With the job now viewed increasingly as a profession, however, fewer flight attendants leave their jobs, and job turnover is not as high as in the past. The average job tenure of attendants is currently more than 14 years and is increasing.
In the long run, opportunities for persons seeking flight attendant jobs should improve as the airline industry expands. Over the next decade, however, demand for flight attendants will fluctuate with the demand for air travel, which is highly sensitive to swings in the economy. During downturns, as air traffic declines, the hiring of flight attendants declines, and some experienced attendants may be laid off until traffic recovers.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009
Subject: Flight Attendant Intro Author: Kingsley Vincent
Hi,
My name is Kingsley Vincent. I am a flight training student here at CCBC. I love the unique aviation program that we have at CCBC and I want to make the most out of it. I am a student pilot who values good communication skills. I hope to progress from the private pilot rating to the Commercial pilot certification at some point and I figured what could better prepare me or help me relate to my crew. There is no better way than to become a flight attendant myself and if I get lucky enough to someday captain the aircraft myself then I'd be better at communicating with my flight attendants so I decided to take this course. I like our instructor's name Chris Click and I look forward to clicking my way through straight A's for an excellent recommendation upon completion of this course. Who knows I may one day realize my dream of working for a major airline such as Southwest.
"You Are Now Free To Move About The Country...DING"©
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009
Subject: Re:Flight Attendant Intro Author: Christopher Click
Vincent,
It is a catchy slogan isn't it? Nice to meet you. I notice many of you are in the full Pilot Training program at CCBC and that is excellent. There are many flight attendants that move on to become First Officers for Southwest and I know that airlines LOVE to promote from within.
So, having a job as a flight attendant will definitely help you achieve your goal, as the inside track for you would be easier to achieve. Plus for flying hours, being a Flight Attendant allows you the flexibility to earn your hours however you can while you fly 3 days a week and have 4 days off. It's not a bad raquet.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Subject: Re:Flight Attendant Intro Author: Kingsley Vincent
yup!
I can't wait to jump in lol!:)
I wish I could finish the course in just a few weeks so I can apply but patience is a virtue.
Thank you so much for your responses to these discussion questions. They have been the best source of info on the FA career that I've run into.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009
Subject: Re:Flight Attendant Intro Author: Sheraz Khan
Hey good to see you here . Good to see a old class mate from 141 taking this class too.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009
Subject: Flight attendant info. Author: Melaku Hailu
Hi ! My name is Melaku Hailu.I am from Ethiopia. I was a student at CCBC Aviation Dept. and have a certificate in air traffic control management, certificate in flight management, AAS Degree in flight training with multi engine commercial pilot license and currently doing on my CFI and CFII. The reason why I am taking this class is just to know anything I can in aviation field so as to have a border knowledge and use it for my future career.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009
Subject: Re:Flight attendant info. Author: Christopher Click
Melaku,
Glad to meet you and am impressive resume you have there. I can always appreciate the pilots I fly with who at least know what FLight Attendant must deal with on a daily basis. The knowledge you achieve from this course will help you better work together as a team on the aircraft.
If you decide you want to enter the Flight Attendant field with your choice of carrier, it could also help you do an internal transfer to pilot when the time is right. Always a good idea to get your foot in the door, plus when it comes to iternal transfers from flight attendant to pilot, the company almost ALWAYS goes for it, and your name goes about others from the outside.
-Chris
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009
Subject: Question Author: Jasmine Crump
What are the differences between working with each airline? What should I consider/know when choosing which one may be best for me?
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009
Subject: Re:Question Author: Christopher Click
Ah, that is the tough question. These are many different answers for each person as to what makes one airline better than the other. The best thing to do, is to ask around, ask other airline flight attendants who they would most like to work for. I would think most would say, "Southwest Airlines"... As far as job security, Southwest is poised to survive this recession better than any other airline. We are the only airline not to have a furloughed workforce in our history and flight attendants are they highest paid in the industry at Southwest.
Other airlines have a more advanced and far reaching route structure and offer other things like First Class, International Travel and other prestigous services that Southwest does not. Some may say working for a "low-fare" carrier is like working for "Greyhound Bus", and while the customers you serve as for the most part not the hoity-toyty travelers that fly, perhaps United Airlines, most of our travelers are in fact business travelers who love our flexible schedule, no change for changing reservations and other factors.
As far as working on the aircraft, I find our passengers the most down to earth than any other passengers. There are headaches everywhere, but for the most part our passengers are very nice and understanding people.
I would consider a few things when picking... Consider Job Security, Flexibility and your overal satisfaction. This job is nothing, unless you are satified with career. I turned down a career as an Air Traffic Controller to stay in this job, because it is the best lifestyle I could ever imagine. Where else can you make over $80,000 a year serving peanuts and soda after putting on a little mime/emergency demonstration?
HOpe this helps.
-CHris
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Friday, February 20, 2009
Subject: Re:Question Author: Jasmine Crump
Thank you so much! When you work as a flight attendant do you receive discounted fares on airlines other than the one with which you are employeed?? I travel quite bit and Im wondering if I should be considering flight routes/destinations in my search.
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009
Subject: Re:Question Author: Christopher Click
All Travel and Hospitatlity Businesses extend discounts to other travel company employees. For example, all employees at my airline (Southwest) get steep discounts on hotels, rental cars and of course airline travel. While we travel for free on our carrier, all airlines establish an ITG (Interline Travel Guide). This is a guide that tells you exactly what are discounts are, dress codes, procedures for listing and costs. Most airlines staff a "Pass Bureau". This department is responsible for getting you the tickets you need. You send them the money and say I want two tickets on Luftansa and they send them to you. Then it is up to you to use them.
As a Flight ATtendant we enjoy another added benefit and these are called "jump seat agreements" which means we can travel on a space available basis on other carriers, and we in turn extend the same courtesy. This was created to help employees get to and from work as many commute from other cities. There is no stipulation that says you cannot use this right for normal travel as well.
As with everything, there are rules and the rules must be followed without exception. They must be adhered to, because if a rule was to broken and the airline lodged a complaint that employee could lose their priviliges for free travel temporarily or worse, forever. Certain cases have even got employees terminated.
Take comfort in knowing that almost all airlines extend courtesy to each other in the form of cheap (Space Available Passes).... Look up Non-Revenue in the last section for a bigger explanation of what Non-Revenue means.
Hope this helps!
Chris
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009
Subject: Re:Question Author: Kingsley Vincent
Wow,
I like these travel benefits. They definitely makes me look beyond the hourly pay.
Topic: What Airline would you Most like to Work For.. Date: Monday, February 9, 2009
Subject: What airline I would prefer to work for. Author: Victoria Dulaney
My first choice for which airline i would like to work for would be American Airlines. I have flown with American Airlines before and had a great experience. The entire crew was friendly and very pleasant. My second choice would be Southwest Airlines because, after researching it, it seems like a very fun and loving airline with great benefits. If i had to chose a third airline it would be United Airlines. My first flying experience was with United Airlines to Florida. The flight attendants and spacious plane helped calm my nerves, and made the experience an enjoyable one.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Monday, February 9, 2009
Subject: Introduction Author: Alexanderia Woodring
Hello Everyone!
My name is Alexanderia Woodring.I am joining the class a little bit late but I am very excited to get started. I am majoring in flight training but I thought this class would be an awesome opportunity to gain knowledge in different areas of the aviation world. I am a member of the Maryland Air National Guard. I work their full time. I also take a full time schedule at CCBC so it takes up most of my time. I have known for a very long time that I have wanted to be a pilot. I cant wait for this semester to learn as much as I can!
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Subject: Re:Introduction Author: Christopher Click
Alex,
Glad you joined this class to learn what it is like on the other side of the door. Many Flight Attendants I have known since working at Southwest who have gone from being a Flight Attendant to working as a First Officer. Don't count out working as a Flight Attendant, it is an exciting and rewarding career with great pay to boot.
-Chris
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Subject: Re:Introduction Author: Kingsley Vincent
hey Alexandria,
how long did it take for you to finish bootcamp for the Maryland Air National Guard?
- King
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Subject: Re:Introduction Author: Alexanderia Woodring
When I went through last year it was 6 weeks but know they have just recently changed BMT and it is 8 weeks long.
Topic: Week 1 Discussion Question Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009
Subject: Re:Introduction Author: Kingsley Vincent
O that's not bad at all.
I thought BMT was as long as a whole semester. Did you do the aviation option for your MOS?
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Monday, February 16, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 2 Discussion Author: Jasmine Crump
When considering a senior attendant that is changing airlines, it is definitely not fair that he or she could end up back at the bottom of the barrel after working 20 years in their field. By that time you have earned the title and pay of a respected employee in the industry; the knowledge you have accumulated in that time is incomparable to that of a new employee. When switching airlines, it is only fair to be ranked among equally experienced attendants.
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 2 Discussion Author: Christopher Click
Alex,
Right you are about the seniority. One of the most current "cons" is that in the past, the flight attendant industry had a higher turn over rate. When Flight Attendants had strict weight requirement, no children, no husband/wife etc these were good times for seniority because you were able to move up the seniority ladder rather easily.
However, now with the current state of the economy, plus the fact (that some airlines) Flight Attendants top out their pay at over $50 per hour, $75 per hour when on (overtime), people are less apt to leave and they end of flying for years. This stagnates the seniority list.
Just a personal note, I do not make $50 an hour at Southwest, I still have about 4 years to go :)
-Chris
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009
Subject: Re:week 2 discussion Author: Christopher Click
Kingsley,
You are correct, but the one thing that gets overlooked, is what happens when your airline defaults and get aquired by another airline. When you are invovled in a merger the seniority positives get bogged down by the several negatives.
For example, I have been working at Southwest for 8 years. If we were to purchase (let's just say AirTran), their employees would intergrate with our employees thereby placing 8 year AirTran employees head of me on the seniority list even though they are Day 1 with Southwest. This would anger me and fellow Southwest attendants who are affected by this move, however if it did not happen that way, the new employes at the bottom of the list would also be upset. Either way you have upset employees and this filters down to the customers they serve.
-Chris
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Monday, February 16, 2009
Subject: Re:week 2 discussion Author: Kingsley Vincent
that is an interesting organization.
I would think that the airtran employees would be below you since you work for southwest and airtran was acquired by southwest in this example.
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Subject: Re:week 2 discussion Author: Christopher Click
Yeah it would be nice if it worked that way, however Congress changed that rule a couple of years ago
-Chris
Topic: What Airline would you Most like to Work For.. Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009
Subject: what airline would you most likely work for Author: Kingsley Vincent
Southwest
Southwest
Southwest
I just LUV SW. I don't know why though?
Topic: What Airline would you Most like to Work For.. Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009
Subject: Re:what airline would you most likely work for Author: Christopher Click
LUV, is our stock ticker... so you score points there :)
Topic: Week 2 Discussion Question Date: Monday, February 16, 2009
Subject: Week 2 Discussion Author: Jasmine Crump
Airline seniority is a necessary evil. The airline industry must base its employment on seniority to keep fairness and ward off hostility in the workplace. Junior attendants must work to achieve the perks and benefits off putting in lengthy work with one company. Having the more desirable schedule and routes is something that has to be earned. If an employee is able to walk in and receive the cream of the crop in regards to scheduling and pay, it will open doors for Senior Attendants to hold grudges and become dissatisfied with their employer. The positives associated with employment seniority are it enforces a hierarchy, allowing Junior attendants to both respect, and in some aspect - envy, senior attendants. This means that the Junior attendant is inspired to put in the time it takes to attain the perks of a senior employee. This creates an environment that has workplace stability and crew members who are both familiar and comfortable working with one another. One of the biggest cons of this situation is that there are no exceptions made for special cases. For instance an employee that has been a f light attendant for years and recently decided to switch companies, will be treated in the same manner as the attendant who has never stepped foot onboard a plane and is taking on her first trip assignment. Generally speaking, seniority in any industry is usually a wonderful thing. It gives employees something to reach for, and it gives employers dedicated and longevity from it’s employees.
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Friday, February 20, 2009
Subject: Another question Author: Jasmine Crump
This week's lesson mentioned that an 8-hour work day was imposed and overtime pay instated. Previously we learned that attendants are paid per trip or trip leg, yet most attendants work about 17 days a month. Unless Im overthinking it- that means you accumulate overtime nearly each day in order to have at least a 40 hour work week. Im a little confused, are there really 8hr 9-5 type positions with being a flight attendent? Particularly for those of us juniors just walking in the door.
Topic: Ask a Flight Attendant Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009
Subject: Re:Another question Author: Christopher Click
Jasmine,
The Flight Attendant hour and schedule is very hard to explain.
First thing I must ask you to do, is throw out everything you think you know about overtime, normal days, and even what is an hour of pay.... Everything you know is wrong in this career if you compare it to any other job out there.
Okay, having said that. Let's get some definitions..
Trip = 1 Hour of Pay.... It is a formula based number usually depending on how many miles you are flying combined with time in the actual air.
Overtime = Not 40 hours a week, overtime relates to certain times in the company schedule when they are short on working flight attendants, and they offer entire trips at premium or overtime pay.
Alright.... a Flight Attendant bids on his/her schedule for the next month and based upon what the senior people above you bid, you get your line of time. A Line of time, is an entire months schedule of flying. So let's say you get Friday-Sunday 3 Day Trips....
Your first trip comes up that month and it is three days long starting on Friday, ending on Sunday and pays 25 TFP or (Trips for Pay) or 25 Hours (if you feel better that way). Even though you are gone from Friday till Sunday, you are only getting paid for 25 Hours of work.
Flight Attendants are NOT paid unless they are flying. There are other pay considerations like Per Diem, which is around $2.00 per hour at most carriers. This pay is non-taxable and starts the minute you check-in on Friday and stops after you arrive on Sunday. Basically around $48 per day on top of what you already make.
There are no 9-5 positions, however they are some schedules that usually go senior and they are single day trips, which mean you go out and come back on the same day. Usually these trips are about 10 hours from check-in to release time, however pay around 7 Trips For Pay (TFP).
So, even though you were gone alot more than 110 Hours during the month, your pay of 110 TFP's is your pay for that month. To make you feel a little bit better, most flights pay more than the length of the flight. For example, a 3 hour flight, usually pays around 3.6-4.0 TFP. Add three flights per day at this pay rate and it more than makes up for the difference.
I hope this answers some questions, however I feel it may have created more questions than answered LOL
-Chris
Topic: Week 3 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 3 discussion: Railway Labor Act Author: Christopher Click
Kingsley,
You said it perfectly!!!!
The RLA has many advantages and you found them all... However the few disadvantages can be large and troublesome as well.
One thing you should ponder, is how Airlines use the RLA to drag out negotiations in the hopes that it will eventually lead to arbitration (in which the company always has the advantage)
-Chris
Topic: Week 3 Discussion Question Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009
Subject: Re:Week 3 discussion: Railway Labor Act Author: Kingsley Vincent
What is the company's advantage?
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